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Insomnia

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Any suggestions for one on Lithium, Nardil and Respiradol for past two years who suddenly wakes up every two hours and can’t get back to sleep? Valerian has helped some.

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I thought I had bipolar disorder, but it turned out to be hypoglycemia (low blood sugar.) Both can cause insomnia. The low blood sugar causes the adrenal glands to work overtime, and the adrenelin keeps you awake. If you are really manic than you should be on lithium, which calms you down and makes it less likely you will fall into a severe depression after the manic phase. (However if you have been misdiagnosed and have hypoglycemia instead of bipolar disorder the lithium will make it worse.) When I have an adrenalin rush I find that a cup of chamomile tea with a valerian pill helps me a lot. If you would like more information about herbs for insomnia feel free to contact me.

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ok, I just heard that coffee sometimes is useful when one carefully takes it in right amount. It helps in constipation too esp. when there is bloody in stool. Coffee can help to rush out the wasted stuffs after we eat it without letting it dry very fast. Water, no matter how large in amount we take won’t help preventing constipation much because intestines takes in alot of water, leaving the wastes dry and making it harder to pass out. :) Fruit esp paper & tomato also help. So does cereal etc. Lydia

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This really isn’t all that strange. They give hyperactive and ADD kids stimulants to calm them down. My mother-in-law treated my brother-in-law with coffee after Ritalin really screwed him up. High caffiene and sugar sodas calm me down also. Kimber

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, My name is Tina, I’m into drinking very strong coffee to. Alot of it . Think I’m > hooked and high of the stuff. Well I guess it’s better than being addicted on street > drugs. I’ve been there once already so compared to the drugs, coffee is a harmless > and very effective way to still let you experience that wonderful rush feeling and it > won’t kill you. At least I don’t think. Are you BP, and are you taking meds? I am. > Anyhow, if you need an extra friend to write to,I’ll be here. Take care Robert.Hope > to hear from you. Bye. > Gothic female, Tina > >By the way, what is espresso? >  Its like super coffee, It tastes like about like double > strength coffee left on the pot for about 4 hours. :-) > It`s quite good actually

I think most BP’s have an abnormally strong reaction to coffee.  I remember always wondering why people thought coke was so great since coffee did the same thing and wasn’t as uncomfortable. Right before I got on meds when I was in this horrible mixed state but still sleeping some, a lot of coffee in the evening would kick me into euphoric manic till dawn with a price to pay the next day.  But it was so tempting that I can see how people get addicted to crack, to get so high that I no longer hear that noise in my head because I’m too busy dancing around and kicking the walls for fun. Aurora

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I think being sedated by stimulants is an ADD symptom.  Certainly doesn’t happen for me unless I’m really manic.  But then it’s probably the milk in the latte that’s doing it.  Don’t ask me why I’m ordering a latte when I’m really manic, but it was good for me to take in some nutrition. Aurora – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cinda, I thought the more coffee we drink, the more caffeine would be built > inside us and probably even in our brain. Don’t know. I once drank coffee for > burning midnite oil often before till I experienced a sudden of emotional > numbness, coffee seemed not to work anymore but only made me twice tired. > > I don’t know about other people but I can, and do, drink coffee and Coke > > just before bedtime.  In fact, I use them to wash down the meds.  Then I > > lay down and go right to sleep–not sleeping is not one of my > > problems–this is not a result of the meds, either.  I did this before I > > was diagnosed as well. > Isn’t water the best drink? Let’s discuss that. > — > I have experienced sedative effects from caffeine as well.  when i was younger i > would wake up and not be able to fall asleep again;  i would chug a whole can of > mountain dew and fall right to sleep.  i found this paradox amazing.  even now, > if i drink something with caffeine and sugar (not just caffeine, like coffee) it > has a sedating effect. > I don’t think anyone would argue about water being the best drink, though it’s > never put me to sleep.

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> About Caffeine, I can drink 3 or more cups of coffee and fall asleep.  It’s > usually when I’m on Lithium but I don’t feel drowsy with caffeine when I’m > not on my regular dose of Lamictal.  I don’t know if I feel "Numb" but I do > feel the same as I do when I’m on Kolonipin (sp?).  Drowsy feeling.

Right after it started working I found that I could give up caffeine, I guess it had been numbing the white noise somewhat, now that I think about it that’s what I used it for.  After I was brought down from this mixed state Li made me so tired that I needed a little kick-start Now I am mostly on Lamictal and have more energy but still like a little caffeine here and there, but I do notice the beginnings of hypomania creeping in.  Ah, temptation. Aurora

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I too am a java lover.  I drink almost two pots of coffee a day..  For awhile there, I really needed it in the morning to offsett the sluggishness from my meds.  Now< I just crave it all the time.     > Isn’t water the best drink? Let’s discuss that.>> —

For all of you that can get past the coffee, WATER is the best thing for you. Eight or more glasses a day should be considered minimum.  You need the water to flush your system of impurities.  It also helps to maintain a healthy weight.  It makes you feel fuller, so then you eat less,right(?).  Coffee or caffiene beverages are not considered part of your eight glasses a day becauseof the negative effects of caffeine.  Caffiene as a stimulant, also stimulates hunger.   Drinking water is good for your skin.  It is easier on your kidneys than caffienated bev. You just need it.  As part of your eight glasses of water a day you can substitute natural juices and should have  your milk too as a source of calcium for bone development and maintenance.  A great beverage is orange juice with calcium added.  You get your vitamin c, calcium and liquid.  If you drink orange juice with a meal it increases the absorption of  iron , calcium and other important vitamims and minerals in the food that may be lost otherwise . Never underestimate the power of good nutrition and your health.  I think I will go get myself a tall sparkling glass of ice water now—hint—hint…pam

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Exactly, I can defently hear you. I can relate to what you wrote. Sometimes theres ocassional anger with that rage feeling for me when I drink heavenly strong hyperspeed coffee. Straight from the bean, grind then brew. Finally add some ice, and enjoy. OOOOAhhhhh soooo darn good!! Fill it to the brim and I’m on my way to a different demention. A galaxy far far away. You get the idea. Bye. Always here if anyone cares to write. In this Sanitarium…….I clutch onto nothingness, …..Tina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, My name is Tina, I’m into drinking very strong coffee to. Alot of it . Think I’m > hooked and high of the stuff. Well I guess it’s better than being addicted on street > drugs. I’ve been there once already so compared to the drugs, coffee is a harmless > and very effective way to still let you experience that wonderful rush feeling and it > won’t kill you. At least I don’t think. Are you BP, and are you taking meds? I am. > Anyhow, if you need an extra friend to write to,I’ll be here. Take care Robert.Hope > to hear from you. Bye. > Gothic female, Tina > > >By the way, what is espresso? > >  Its like super coffee, It tastes like about like double > > strength coffee left on the pot for about 4 hours. :-) > > It`s quite good actually > I think most BP’s have an abnormally strong reaction to coffee.  I > remember always wondering why people thought coke was so great since > coffee did the same thing and wasn’t as uncomfortable. > Right before I got on meds when I was in this horrible mixed state but > still sleeping some, a lot of coffee in the evening would kick me into > euphoric manic till dawn with a price to pay the next day.  But it was > so tempting that I can see how people get addicted to crack, to get so > high that I no longer hear that noise in my head because I’m too busy > dancing around and kicking the walls for fun. > Aurora

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>By the way, what is espresso?

 Its like super coffee, It tastes like about like double strength coffee left on the pot for about 4 hours. :-) It`s quite good actually Remove the **** for your emailing pleasure

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Hi, My name is Tina, I’m into drinking very strong coffee to. Alot of it . Think I’m hooked and high of the stuff. Well I guess it’s better than being addicted on street drugs. I’ve been there once already so compared to the drugs, coffee is a harmless and very effective way to still let you experience that wonderful rush feeling and it won’t kill you. At least I don’t think. Are you BP, and are you taking meds? I am. Anyhow, if you need an extra friend to write to,I’ll be here. Take care Robert.Hope to hear from you. Bye. Gothic female, Tina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->By the way, what is espresso? >  Its like super coffee, It tastes like about like double > strength coffee left on the pot for about 4 hours. :-) > It`s quite good actually > Remove the **** for your emailing pleasure

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Cinda, I thought the more coffee we drink, the more caffeine would be built > inside us and probably even in our brain. Don’t know. I once drank coffee for > burning midnite oil often before till I experienced a sudden of emotional > numbness, coffee seemed not to work anymore but only made me twice tired. > I don’t know about other people but I can, and do, drink coffee and Coke > just before bedtime.  In fact, I use them to wash down the meds.  Then I > lay down and go right to sleep–not sleeping is not one of my > problems–this is not a result of the meds, either.  I did this before I > was diagnosed as well. > Isn’t water the best drink? Let’s discuss that. > —

I have experienced sedative effects from caffeine as well.  when i was younger i would wake up and not be able to fall asleep again;  i would chug a whole can of mountain dew and fall right to sleep.  i found this paradox amazing.  even now, if i drink something with caffeine and sugar (not just caffeine, like coffee) it has a sedating effect. I don’t think anyone would argue about water being the best drink, though it’s never put me to sleep.

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How exactly do you experience these sedative effects from caffeine ? I have noticed that the `white head-noise’ feeling, which definitely makes me agitated and restless decreases upon drinking a few cups of coffee, making me feel more relaxed (maybe pleasantly numb ?). I do not experience caffeine as a real sedative, though. GreetinX        X        X       Bas p.s: Still wanting to be comfortably numbed . . .                     DE  DIGITALE  STAD

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About Caffeine, I can drink 3 or more cups of coffee and fall asleep.  It’s usually when I’m on Lithium but I don’t feel drowsy with caffeine when I’m not on my regular dose of Lamictal.  I don’t know if I feel "Numb" but I do feel the same as I do when I’m on Kolonipin (sp?).  Drowsy feeling. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > How exactly do you experience these sedative effects from caffeine ? I > have noticed that the `white head-noise’ feeling, which definitely makes > me agitated and restless decreases upon drinking a few cups of coffee, > making me feel more relaxed (maybe pleasantly numb ?). I do not experience > caffeine as a real sedative, though. > GreetinX >        X >        X >       Bas > p.s: Still wanting to be comfortably numbed . . . >                     DE  DIGITALE  STAD

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> The average cup of coffee has about 100mg of caffeine, a cup of espresso has > about 3 -4 times that.  If someone (like I used to) drinks 3 espressos in the > morning before work, and then 2 pots at work, they have consumed about 2000mg > of caffeine.  I thought that drinking all that coffee before 11 am was okay. > Well, he explained that caffeine has a half life of 8 hours.  That means that > eight hours later I still had 1000mg of caffeine in my system, and 8 hours > after that I still had 500mg.  That is the equvalent of 5 cups of coffee. > Then, less than 8 hours after that, I would start the cycle all over again. > Didn’t take me too long to figure out why I wasn’t sleeping so well at night.

One more thing – how come the coffee no longer had no effect on me but only leaving me twice tired the last time after frequent coffee-drink for late studying?

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I am not too sure the exact cause(s) of insomnia. Are they the worries or/and caffeine that found in coffee, tea? Lydia

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> I am not too sure the exact cause(s) of insomnia. > Are they the worries or/and caffeine that found in coffee, tea? > Lydia

Could be either, could also be brain chemistry. Aurora

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> I am not too sure the exact cause(s) of insomnia. > Are they the worries or/and caffeine that found in coffee, tea? > Lydia

I don’t know about other people but I can, and do, drink coffee and Coke just before bedtime.  In fact, I use them to wash down the meds.  Then I lay down and go right to sleep–not sleeping is not one of my problems–this is not a result of the meds, either.  I did this before I was diagnosed as well. Cinda Take care of yourself, you’re worth it.

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Cinda, I thought the more coffee we drink, the more caffeine would be built inside us and probably even in our brain. Don’t know. I once drank coffee for burning midnite oil often before till I experienced a sudden of emotional numbness, coffee seemed not to work anymore but only made me twice tired. > I don’t know about other people but I can, and do, drink coffee and Coke > just before bedtime.  In fact, I use them to wash down the meds.  Then I > lay down and go right to sleep–not sleeping is not one of my > problems–this is not a result of the meds, either.  I did this before I > was diagnosed as well.

Isn’t water the best drink? Let’s discuss that. — http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/5620/

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My doctor explained the way caffeine works like this: The average cup of coffee has about 100mg of caffeine, a cup of espresso has about 3 -4 times that.  If someone (like I used to) drinks 3 espressos in the morning before work, and then 2 pots at work, they have consumed about 2000mg of caffeine.  I thought that drinking all that coffee before 11 am was okay. Well, he explained that caffeine has a half life of 8 hours.  That means that eight hours later I still had 1000mg of caffeine in my system, and 8 hours after that I still had 500mg.  That is the equvalent of 5 cups of coffee. Then, less than 8 hours after that, I would start the cycle all over again. Didn’t take me too long to figure out why I wasn’t sleeping so well at night. Shannan

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> The average cup of coffee has about 100mg of caffeine, a cup of espresso has

By the way, what is espresso? > about 3 -4 times that.  If someone (like I used to) drinks 3 espressos in the

3 packets you mean? > morning before work, and then 2 pots at work, they have consumed about 2000mg > of caffeine.  I thought that drinking all that coffee before 11 am was okay. > Well, he explained that caffeine has a half life of 8 hours.  That means that > eight hours later I still had 1000mg of caffeine in my system, and 8 hours > after that I still had 500mg.  That is the equvalent of 5 cups of coffee. > Then, less than 8 hours after that, I would start the cycle all over again. > Didn’t take me too long to figure out why I wasn’t sleeping so well at night.

wow! Lydia

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